I'd be out on the same day since I am not a terrorist and have no terrorist links, it is the complex cases which would need the full 42 days
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Originally Posted by Earthling:
I'd be out on the same day since I am not a terrorist and have no terrorist links, it is the complex cases which would need the full 42 days

I think you've got the intelligence to see this. The reason we have limited detention time is to protect us from powerful people who would love nothing better than to stop public descent, protest or disagreement.

At the moment your view of a terrorist is some mad muslim with a bomb strapped to his back. You think these laws only apply to them. The fact is they don't. They apply to every one.

What happens if the government decided that you were a terrorist for peaceful protest. You may say that will never happen it's never happened before in this country. And you'd be right but only because there have been stringent laws to stop it ever happening in other countries where there have not been those laws it's common place.

Liberties our fought for in blood. More blood than any terrorist attack will ever shed.With the use of technology and suvilience such as bugging or phone tapping we will have an extraordinarily hard job regaining them if lost .

Don't think for one second we in Britain do not have our little Hitlers who would like to see what they view as undesirables rounded up and shot. You can go through many of the posts on here to see that.
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Roland is right - these terorrism laws have more to do with attacking the freedoms of the average citizen. Terrorist attacks serve the interests of the governement by allowing them to pass legislation to take liberties in the name of "security" and "freedom".

If people want proof of how the average person is affected then I advise them to look at the Patriot Acts 1 & 2 in the US or SOCPA and The Terrorism act here in the UK.
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Originally Posted by Earthling:
I'd be out on the same day since I am not a terrorist and have no terrorist links, it is the complex cases which would need the full 42 days

Define terrorist. You are a member of UKIP, a dangerous xenophobic political party that wants to cut all ties with Europe and would expel all ethnic minorities. Of course, UKIP wants no such things but lots of people wrongly believe that we are racist and highly xenophobic.

If you had told someone in 1997 that Tony Blair's government would see a peace-activist being arrested under Terrorism Act provisions for heckling during a Labour Party conference, they would have thought you mad.

It's easy to give up powers and often for noble and wonderful reasons but it extremely hard to get powers back. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
Earthling, I could phone the police and say I suspect that you are a terrorist. See you in a month.

Or if Brown gets his way - 6 weeks!
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Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
Define terrorist. You are a member of UKIP, a dangerous xenophobic political party that wants to cut all ties with Europe and would expel all ethnic minorities. Of course, UKIP wants no such things but lots of people wrongly believe that we are racist and highly xenophobic.

If you had told someone in 1997 that Tony Blair's government would see a peace-activist being arrested under Terrorism Act provisions for heckling during a Labour Party conference, they would have thought you mad.

It's easy to give up powers and often for noble and wonderful reasons but it extremely hard to get powers back. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Good comments - people should never forget all of that......
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Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
Define terrorist. You are a member of UKIP, a dangerous xenophobic political party that wants to cut all ties with Europe and would expel all ethnic minorities. Of course, UKIP wants no such things but lots of people wrongly believe that we are racist and highly xenophobic.

If you had told someone in 1997 that Tony Blair's government would see a peace-activist being arrested under Terrorism Act provisions for heckling during a Labour Party conference, they would have thought you mad.

It's easy to give up powers and often for noble and wonderful reasons but it extremely hard to get powers back. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

UKIP activists down kill people, islamic scumbags do.

Is that enough of a definition for you?
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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
My my, you're really putting in the hours tonight Harbinger....

I must commend you - THREE whole posts and in not one of them have you failed to use the word "loon" or added anything to the debate whatsoever.

If common sense means acting like a mindless moron and brainwashed sheep then I'll stick to being a "loon" thankyou very much.

Where did you school out of interest - Oxford or Cambridge ?

Hey even paranoids have real enemies dont they Mr 'Truth'

Originally Posted by Smidgey:
Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a loon.

You need to learn some common courtesy.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, i say it's a duck.

Truth and Roland are possibly fairly sensible in real life, but they attibute facets to the Government that Ian Fleming could only wonder at. The US and UK governments are collectively unable to organise the proverbial pee up in a brewery. To suggest they masterminded 9/11, 7/7 etc is laughable.

Their cretinous theories distract us from our real enemies. Who knows maybe they are AQ activists sent to sow dissaeftion?

The word loon is mild enough for their ilk.

Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
Personally I don't mind Smidgey - if someone attacks me it shows they're proabably frightened by something they don't like to admit to themselves.

No it is because I truly believe you are a cretin, either that or a dangerous subsersive.

believe it.
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Originally Posted by Harbinger:
Hey even paranoids have real enemies dont they Mr 'Truth'



If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, i say it's a duck.

Truth and Roland are possibly fairly sensible in real life, but they attibute facets to the Government that Ian Fleming could only wonder at. The US and UK governments are collectively unable to organise the proverbial pee up in a brewery. To suggest they masterminded 9/11, 7/7 etc is laughable.

Their cretinous theories distract us from our real enemies. Who knows maybe they are AQ activists sent to sow dissaeftion?

The word loon is mild enough for their ilk.



No it is because I truly believe you are a cretin, either that or a dangerous subsersive.

believe it.

How ridiculous your behaviour is Harbinger.

You won't deal or refute any of the facts I posted yet I am the cretin because you don't get it ?

Just look at your avatar - I think that wraps it up.

When you say "The US and UK governments are collectively unable to organise the proverbial pee up in a brewery." you are actually wrong - they know exactly what they are doing because most mistakes they make is made on purpose, not because of incompetence.

But suckers like you beleive the media and think they have no power.

Not suprising when people don't take the time to educate themselves - they get played like a fiddle - it's called being brainwashing of the masses.

Your assertion "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, i say it's a duck."

is the whole point propaganda which is brought in to persuade people like you that "they know" when they haven't got a clue and don't get told the real facts which are hidden from public view.

Try to realize the world does not work in the simplistic terms of your own mindset.....

It's a lot more complicated than that actually.

I know you're proabably too egotistical to admit you might possibly be fooled so carry on making a fool of yourself by all means.
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Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
Define terrorist. You are a member of UKIP, a dangerous xenophobic political party that wants to cut all ties with Europe and would expel all ethnic minorities. Of course, UKIP wants no such things but lots of people wrongly believe that we are racist and highly xenophobic.

If you had told someone in 1997 that Tony Blair's government would see a peace-activist being arrested under Terrorism Act provisions for heckling during a Labour Party conference, they would have thought you mad.

It's easy to give up powers and often for noble and wonderful reasons but it extremely hard to get powers back. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

UKIP aren't a xenophobic party they like Europe, just don't want to be in the new Soviet Union

They wouldn't expel ethnic minorities they just want a 5-year freeze on immigration to sort out the mess uncontrolled immigration has created and so we can get a rough idea of who actually is in this country

I agree with roland's comments on civil liberties though
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