Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
Define terrorist. You are a member of UKIP, a dangerous xenophobic political party that wants to cut all ties with Europe and would expel all ethnic minorities. Of course, UKIP wants no such things but lots of people wrongly believe that we are racist and highly xenophobic.

If you had told someone in 1997 that Tony Blair's government would see a peace-activist being arrested under Terrorism Act provisions for heckling during a Labour Party conference, they would have thought you mad.

It's easy to give up powers and often for noble and wonderful reasons but it extremely hard to get powers back. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Originally Posted by Earthling:
UKIP aren't a xenophobic party they like Europe, just don't want to be in the new Soviet Union

They wouldn't expel ethnic minorities they just want a 5-year freeze on immigration to sort out the mess uncontrolled immigration has created and so we can get a rough idea of who actually is in this country

I think you've missed Alex point. The point was a terrorist can be defined as anything or any one who disagrees with the government. A government can define terrorist as any one that opposes it.

A government could quite easily with the help of the media define UKIP as a dangerous radical organization. This may sound a bit far fetched but who knows what the future holds.

Say for example some nut case that supported UKIP decided to shoot a couple of immigrants or blow up a mosque. Then thats it all the excuse they were looking for. UKIP and all it's supporters could then be defined as not just dangerous and radical but a terrorist organization and all it's supporters suspect terrorists.

Then you may well find your self banged up for 42 days wile the police sift through 35,000 pages of information at they're leisure.

Thats a long time in a cell. You would not have contacted with the outside world. No TV. No news papers. You may not even be told what your being held for or whats happened to your family. 42 days of staring at for white walls. If that ain't torture I don't know what is.
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Obviously Alex has not studied the Patriot Act in depth.

If you consider someone "listening to jazz" as a terrorist then so be it.

Why are the neo-cons in the U.S talking of "white Al-Quaeda" in the mainstream ?

It's ridiculous and shows how much they're getting away with, and we're destined for the same model over here unless we stand up for this disgusting labelling.

Soon every protester will be branded as a potential terrorist (if they're not already)

"thought crime" is the pinnacle.

Roland - "No TV. No news papers" ?

Sounds like a good thing to me !
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Originally Posted by Harbinger:
UKIP activists down kill people, islamic scumbags do.

Is that enough of a definition for you?

No. No it isn't.
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And normally definitions are gramatically correct and actually make sense in English too......

Considering Harbinger's earlier comment of "try living with them" when referring to muslims, he's verging on racism in my opinion.

I notice a lot of people who object to muslims can't actually say what harm they have done to them personally - yet they still get slate them as evil etc etc.

I'm not in favour of mass immigration but I'm not going to start hating people becuase I don't understand their culture.

Even if there are some muslim extremists who hate too, two wrongs don't make a right and it shows ignorance exists across all religions/cultures.
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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth:
Obviously Alex has not studied the Patriot Act in depth.

I think perhaps you meant "Earthling"?
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Originally Posted by Alex McKee:
I think perhaps you meant "Earthling"?

Yes indeed - I typed the wrong name by mistake.

A 1000 apologies Alex.

Sorry.
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Hey no worries, I was just a little baffled for a minute then I realised what had happened.

I wouldn't have mentioned it but I was concerned that other people may not read back a few posts, to where I strongly opposed the 42-day policy, and might think I supported the 42-day policy.
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How do libertarians feel about 42 days.Anyone now.
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Originally Posted by Jeff:
How do libertarians feel about 42 days.

Like this.

How would you feel if you were looked up in a cell with no TV, no radio, nothing to read, no real idea of whats happened to your family, no idea of what it is your being held for, no contact with the out side world, no idea if you are may be to be shipped off to America or camp delta, for a month and a half.

Don't know if you've ever been in a police cell. Some years ago I was in one for twenty hours. In those conditions that is a long, long time.
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Twenty long hours you say,well arent you a pussy to even be bothered by that overnight stay.
Dont assume anything about anyone on here,especially me because you dont know me or what Ive done or were ive been.
Im against 42 days because it can and will be used for some to be completely removed for ever.
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