Originally Posted by Westcountryman:
. Socialists are often stupid in believing that they somehow have the God-given right to work, or worse, free money from the State.

Just spotted the above! Never a truer word spoken!
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I'm not even sure why having a knife should be punishable.

Since the state in all its wisdom decided to ban most guns in most situations how else is one supposed to defend oneself?
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It's a mutually beneficial relationship and should be treated as such. Socialists are often stupid in believing that they somehow have the God-given right to work, or worse, free money from the State.

I'm not sure about money but the likewise goes for free market capitalists and any private property the state might sanction.

Property is a social institution allowed and created by society(not necessairly the state but society as it is constituted.), it is no natural or god given right in any particular context. It has its social functions, like promoting industry and giving to individual's the fruits of their labour and independence etc etc, and duties and the rights to property derive from these. If there is mass unemployment then this social relationship may need adjusting.

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Thatcher saved Britain from economic ruin. We went from being the sick man in Europe to a leading world economy.

That doesn't really fit in with the stats. Particularly median wages.
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
I'm not even sure why having a knife should be punishable.

Since the state in all its wisdom decided to ban most guns in most situations how else is one supposed to defend oneself?

Why having a knife should be punnishable is because you may kill someone with it,wether pre meditated or in a moment of madness you have become a murderer

How you defend yourself is by supporting the motion for knife carriers to go to prison,
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How much people earn is really not of any relevance - if you put wages up ten fold then prices will increase ten fold to match.

Yes, there is quite a gap between the richest and poorest in the Country. However, I have not seen an effective solution to this 'problem' and am not even convinced that it is a problem at all.
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Originally Posted by ranter:
Why having a knife should be punnishable is because you may kill someone with it,wether pre meditated or in a moment of madness you have become a murderer

That's the problem. Punish the actual murderers.
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I see that an experiment is being carried out in Redruth, so Westcountry may be able to keep us abreast of developments.
There is to be a curfew for those aged 16 and under from 9.30 each night.
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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour):
I see that an experiment is being carried out in Redruth, so Westcountry may be able to keep us abreast of developments.
There is to be a curfew for those aged 16 and under from 9.30 each night.

Redruth's not really my area but I'll certainly keep an eye on it. The scheme is voluntary so I doubt it will have much impact. I would not want to see the scheme rolled out as a government policy.

BBC NEWS | England | Cornwall | Curfew scheme 'breaches rights'
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
I'm not even sure why having a knife should be punishable.

Since the state in all its wisdom decided to ban most guns in most situations how else is one supposed to defend oneself?

I can't say I've ever felt the urge to go out carrying a gun or a knife. Have you?
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Originally Posted by Westcountryman:
How much people earn is really not of any relevance - if you put wages up ten fold then prices will increase ten fold to match.

Yes, there is quite a gap between the richest and poorest in the Country. However, I have not seen an effective solution to this 'problem' and am not even convinced that it is a problem at all.

Okay, I'm not sure alot of that was strictly relevant to what I was saying but anyway.

Btw as an economist and one who prefered interest is monetary, particularly post-keynesian, economics I can tell you that it is certainly not that simple that it would put up prices by ten percent. Not that I'm arguing for it, it is just an interest of mine.
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