The Conservatives are about 5/6 million votes down on the 1992 General Election (the last one they won when John Major pretended to be a eurosceptic during the campaign for that election).

I think tens of thousands of Conservative party members would quit the Tories in disgust if the party entered into a coalition with the europhile Liberal Dims in the event of a hung Parliament after the next General Election.

I am convinced that alot of those people would join UKIP and that the total membership (of UKIP) could be at least doubled (if not more) by Conservative defectors entering the UKIP fold.
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Nick Clegg worked for the EU Commission. His main house is in Brussels. You cannot get in to any ministerial or shadow ministers position unless you submit to EU control. As a result both Lib Dem candidates are blindly loyal to the EU dictatorship.

Under the British Constitution, and the Treason Acts of 1353, 1848 and 1895, which were used to execute William Joyce in 1946, they are both traitors, and should be prosecuted as such.

All party leaders, including UKIP's, are under EU control. That's why they all illegally implement EU policy, instead of our wishes.

Gordon Brown illegally signs the Reform Treaty around December 13th, Britain is abolished on 1.1.2009. That too is illegal and criminal.

Parties are finished. You need to fight the EU directly.

See http:/eutruth.org.uk/ukc.html December issue page two to stop it.
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Originally Posted by davidnoakes:
Britain is abolished on 1.1.2009. That too is illegal and criminal.

I wouldn't say that the UK is to be abolished on 1.1.2009 - politically, and economically weakened and neutered militarily is what the EU wants first for the UK. If/when it has achieved that it would/will find it easier to dissolve our ancient nation into an EU Superstate at a time of its choosing.

For the EU to wreck the UK as a fully-functioning sovereign entity it first needs to make it more fragile - through devolution and through its europhile supporters gaining powerful positions in the party of Government (as they have done) and in other parties whose key figures pretend to be patriotic.
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Originally Posted by davidnoakes:
You cannot get in to any Ministerial or Shadow ministers position unless you submit to EU control.

He (Clegg) is a member of the europhile Liberal Dims - who are hopefully not likely to get into power at all. So he won't be a Minister all being well.

He also represents a constituency (Sheffield Hallam) which is traditionally a Conservative seat. I hope he loses it next time.
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Originally Posted by Raymond Finch:
The thinking tories have probably already more or less all deserted.

If true where have they gone?
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They're at home not voting. Some may even have emigrated.

Since the 1992 General Election, the Conservatives have lost 5/6 million votes (due to europhile 'Conservative' Major trying to force us into the euro and in protest at the massive interest rates/unemployment/housing repossessions caused by UK membership of the EU Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) - membership of which Major backed).

Of the 5/6 million votes the Conservatives have lost since 1992, several hundred thousand have switched to voting UKIP (joining other voters from other parties who are also now supporting UKIP).

As I wrote yesterday, if the Cameron-Conservatives link up with the europhile Liberal Dims in a hung Parliament (either in coalition or in a pact) tens of thousands of Conservative Party members will, in my view, defect to UKIP (doubling the size of UKIP if not more).
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Originally Posted by Britannist:

As I wrote yesterday, if the Cameron-Conservatives link up with the europhile Liberal Dims in a hung Parliament (either in coalition or in a pact) tens of thousands of Conservative Party members will, in my view, defect to UKIP (doubling the size of UKIP if not more).

We need Millions! Tens of thousands isn't enough to win seats! Except if they were all for the same candidate!
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Originally Posted by kernow:
Britannist wrote:
As I wrote yesterday, if the Cameron-Conservatives link up with the europhile Liberal Dims in a hung Parliament (either in coalition or in a pact) tens of thousands of Conservative Party members will, in my view, defect to UKIP (doubling the size of UKIP if not more).

Kernow wrote:
We need Millions! Tens of thousands isn't enough to win seats!

Just thought I would mention that when I referred to "tens of thousands" I meant actual Conservative Party members defecting to become UKIP members - I was not referring to people switching to UKIP at election time.

So if 20, 000 Conservatives quit the Cameron-Conservative Party in disgust at any Cameron-Conservative deal with the europhile Liberal Dims (in a hung Parliament) and joined UKIP - that would more than double the present membership size of UKIP (in other words the UKIP membership would rise from 16, 000 to 36, 000 - to reach a level about half the size of the Liberal Dim party membership now).

It would be a real boost for UKIP, of that there is no doubt.

Of course, to win many seats in the Commons UKIP would need lots of votes - but I was (earlier) trying to imply that if 20, 000 Conservative Party members joined UKIP it follows that a far greater number of Conservative voters (who are not members of the Conservative Party) would start voting UKIP.

I know for a fact that a large part of the Conservative membership is very unhappy about the EU and that the majority of Conservative members (and voters) are either eurosceptic or totally anti-EU. The Cameron-Conservative leadership is not reflecting all of their concerns about the EU threat.

Incidentally, UKIP could actually win a seat in the House of Commons on 10, 000 votes (or even less) in a three or four-way split in a particular constituency. It does not need millions of vots to get a group of MPs in the Commons. Dr. Paisley's DUP is the fourth largest party in the House of Commons (9 MPs) - and it achieved this on about 250, 000 votes (less than half the number of votes UKIP secured at the last General Election). The DUP succeeds by targeting seats carefully and working hard in them - all the time.

If UKIP wants a voice in the Commons it has to target several seats where it has performed well in recent years and start campaigning at local level - and not just before election time. All the 'small' parties in the House of Commons got there by targeting certain constituencies and 'working' those seats hard.
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