Originally Posted by Smidgey:
Of course it is their right - I never said it wasn't. People have the right to do whatever they want so long as they do not harm others, that doesn't mean every single consensual act is rational. I think it is irrational to vote for or against someone because of their religious beliefs.

It is no diffrent to voting for a libertarian because you beleive in what they stand for I certainly do not regard that as irrational. It is supporting someone who believes in similar things that you do.
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Originally Posted by rjt:
It is no diffrent to voting for a libertarian because you beleive in what they stand for I certainly do not regard that as irrational. It is supporting someone who believes in similar things that you do.

No, there is a vast difference. The libertarian will enact libertarian policies. They will not enact Christian or atheist policies (if there is such a thing as an atheist policy). I would not vote for Mike Huckabee, not because he is a Christian, but because he wants to enact Christian policies into what should be a secular state which separates church and state in its own constitution.

I would sooner vote for atheist John Stuart Mill than Catholic Hitler.
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Originally Posted by Smidgey:
No, there is a vast difference. The libertarian will enact libertarian policies. They will not enact Christian or atheist policies (if there is such a thing as an atheist policy). I would not vote for Mike Huckabee, not because he is a Christian, but because he wants to enact Christian policies into what should be a secular state which separates church and state in its own constitution.

I would sooner vote for atheist John Stuart Mill than Catholic Hitler.

So because you do not beleive in this mans policys you would not vote for him, but perhaps a christian would the question is why is that irrational? perhaps a christian might think a country would be better if it was chrisitan and not secualr, is that irrational?
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Huckleberry isn't a true Christian. He has killed 10 people, believes in premptive war and has no problems with stealing from people.
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Originally Posted by rjt:
BBC NEWS | Politics | Clegg 'does not believe in God'

Hardly supprising really Lib Dems dont beleive in anything!

"Clegg does not believe in God" it is claimed above.

Well, one thing is clear - he doesnt' believe in the UK either. And neither does his party.

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist:
No doubt.....Polly Toynbee is his best friend.

Rather him than me.

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Originally Posted by Britannist:
"Clegg does not believe in God" it is claimed above.

Well, one thing is clear - he doesnt' believe in the UK either. And neither does his party.

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Yes Indeed, another ghastly europhile who must be overcome.
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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist:
I don't happen to agree with Lib Dem policies either.

And the majority of people who vote for the Liberal 'Democrats' wouldn't either if they knew what their policies were (i.e. destroying our ancient Pound; reducing defence expenditure, forcing the UK into an EU Superstate, raising tax, increasing immigration etc.).

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Originally Posted by rjt:
......another ghastly europhile who must be overcome.

In my view, the europhile Clegg - despite all his 'hot air' now - is not going to be able to stop the anti-Iraq 'war' protest vote the Liberal Dims got last time returning to the Labour fold at the next General Election. He may enjoy a 'political honeymoon' since he is new (as leader of his party) - increased support for his party in the opinion polls - but it will be a temporary rise in projected support in the polls which will reduce as Labour get back the votes it lost to the Liberal Dims at the May 2005 General Election.

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Originally Posted by rjt:
So because you do not beleive in this mans policys you would not vote for him, but perhaps a christian would the question is why is that irrational? perhaps a christian might think a country would be better if it was chrisitan and not secualr, is that irrational?

No, because in order to create a Christian state one must make Christian policies, that was my point. In order to create a libertarian, socialist, conservative or nationalist state the religion of the representatives is irrelevant (unless they decide that it is not by trying to promote religious legislation).
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