Originally Posted by UkipHM:
...as long as we don't give one ethnic group more or less rights and privileges than another.

So you don't believe Jews should be given preferential treatment in Israel? What about blacks in South Africa?
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Originally Posted by UkipHM:
I understand that this is a foolish system and immigration certainly needs limiting, but the situation you describe above doesn't apply only to whites. Presumeably all taxpayers of all colours have to pay council tax and all jobless immigrants of all colours don't. So it is not an issue of racial discrimination here - it is an issue of the treatment of immigrants and citizens of whatever colour - which needs adjusting, I'm sure.

Foreigners are a drain on the welfare system (and prison system) - far more so proportionally than whites. And when they are given preference for government housing, it forces whites onto the market. The presence of foreigners also creates 'white flight', which pushes up the cost of housing in 'white' areas (how many ethnics on your street?). So whites suffer all round. And if they don't move out, they have to live in dangerous, crime-ridden ghettos.
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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde:
We were all blond aryans wandering around singing arias from Wagner and waving cardboard swords at one another, and it was all terribly cosy, naturally. (Sigh). I think such people grossly overestimate the importance of skin colour.

Many were dark Celts, and they were not waving cardboard swords around. They were slicing off heads with real swords.

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I positively like British multiculturalism, and miss it when I travel elsewhere.

Then you must either live in front of your PC-programmed TV set or inhabit a wine bar for multicoloured well-heeled yuppies.

In the cities of the north and the parts of London you don't frequent multiculturalism equals a nightmare of crime and discord.

Where I live, and in most truly traditional English rural areas multiculturalism simply doesn't exist. I don't suffer the problem but I feel for those who do.

London has become an alien city, loathsome to every true Englishman. It's a pity we the people of England can't apply for a divorce.
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Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
Many were dark Celts, and they were not waving cardboard swords around. They were slicing off heads with real swords.

Yes indeedy, and if you met some of my aunts you'd realize that the Celts haven't changed much since then either. But I do wonder whether perhaps you have rather missed the point of my posting.

Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
Then you must either live in front of your PC-programmed TV set or inhabit a wine bar for multicoloured well-heeled yuppies.

In the cities of the north and the parts of London you don't frequent multiculturalism equals a nightmare of crime and discord.

As I believe I've mentioned before, I live in one of the most ethnically mixed parts of London. There aren't very many Asian people locally, but walking down the high road I usually pass more black people than white people. Among the white people, a fair proportion (1/4?) are speaking languages other than English. And there is a smaller but still sizable Chinese population. In my road, about a quarter of the residents are non-white.

Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
Where I live, and in most truly traditional English rural areas multiculturalism simply doesn't exist. I don't suffer the problem but I feel for those who do.

How very empathic of you. However, judging by the number of racially mixed groups of friends and racially mixed couples I see every day, I'd have to say that you might save your sympathy for people unluckier than us.

Originally Posted by Mikeuk:
London has become an alien city, loathsome to every true Englishman. It's a pity we the people of England can't apply for a divorce.

I know how you love to speak for the People of England, and how convinced you are that your heart beats as one with theirs, so I'll tiptoe gently around your dreams and move on.
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Tom, this genuinely interests me: What do you think of the people you walk past on the High Street? Are they enriching us, improving our lives or hard -working types, better than the lazy Brits as the tabloids tell us?
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Originally Posted by Ken:
Tom, this genuinely interests me: What do you think of the people you walk past on the High Street? Are they enriching us, improving our lives or hard -working types, better than the lazy Brits as the tabloids tell us?

Which ones do you mean? The aggressive beggar outside the tube station? The students? The shopkeepers? The people sitting outside the cafe? The mothers pushing babies in their buggies? The schoolchildren? The traffic wardens? The street-cleaner? If you can be a bit more precise I'll happily share my impressions.
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I intersted in why you have a favoursable impression of immigrants. I am being general but you seem to see benefits in their prescence here of either cultural enrichment or thay they are doing the work. I an anxious not topre-empt your view or put words in your mouth but you seem to view them as improving our lives and I wonder in what ways.
This is a serious and important question because others posters see them as dangerous or harmful. I suspect you would see the other view as stemming from prejudice or ignorance.
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Originally Posted by Tom Wilde:

Alfred the Great's successors established an English kingdom containing both Saxons and Danes. This wasn't a matter of repression or genocide - it involved people of different cultures learning how to knock along together without too much fuss. (Are you listening, Alf? Your namesake was a multiculturalist!) To make communication easier, people started leaving the complex grammatical endings off words, and so the English language started to take shape.

Actually I like multicultarlism - but I like the truth more
St. Brice's Day massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The St. Brice's Day massacre was the killing of many Danes in the Kingdom of England, as ordered by the English king Ethelred the Unready.

England had been attacked by Vikings every year from 997 to 1001 and the system of national defence seems to have broken down altogether. Ethelred was advised that the raiders were receiving support from the many Scandinavians living in England, and in a desperate attempt to get rid of his enemies once and for all, orders were issued commanding the slaughter on St Brice's day (December 2) of 'all the Danish men (women and children) who were in England'.

There are good and bad things about immigration but the worse thing are the lies people tell about immigration e.g immigrants come here to help the UK.
No they don't they come for a better life - nothing wrong with that but they are not missionaries.

Tom it took me 5 mins to find a flaw in your history lesson and I have history GCSE no more.
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Tom, have you ever visited Liverpool? You mention amongst other places, Liverpool as an example of black settlement. Why?

Even black settlement to Liverpool is a relatively recent thing, and like the so-called "longest established chinese community in Europe" drivel, is just another example of the blackwashing of history. Liverpool, for example, in 1889 census had a population of around 440 000, yet there where barely 500 - FIVE HUNDRED - chinese, not the thousands that have swamped the downtown areas over the last 60 years, The vast majority of chinese in Liverpool have no connection what-so-ever with the pre-20th century communities. Even now, the only faces you will see in most of Liverpool is a white one, as the "minorities" (I just love that term) tend to concentrate in their own little ghettos.

Perhaps you were unaware of the race riots in Liverpool in 1919? After the war, when soldiers and sailors returning from the Great (Grotty) War they became incensed at the arrival and importation of west indian and chinese migrants to fill in the dock jobs that became vacant as men were called up to fight, resulting in a least one noteworthy death. And that this reaction occurred in other areas in the UK at the same times.

Migration from the periphery of the North Sea rim is entirely natural and to be expected, as it would in any other area of the world experiencing migration from neighbouring lands. Migration from Africa, Asia and the Middle East is - was - NOT natural and could only be so if the settlers themselves existed as a self-motivated and colonising force that achieved its right of occupation by force.

Stop comparing post war 20th century Britain with its pre 20th century migration patterns - there is NO comparison, it is not like for like. And it is for that one simple statement in the Liberal Party manifesto that I could never, ever, support the Liberal Party, as its homosexually obsessed leader(s) only support minority rights because its creates a protective blanket around their own little gay world.
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The study done in the East End talked about people like Tom - the yuppies who have no roots in a place, and no long-term commitment of any kind. Yes, they tended to be the happiest with the situation. It was those who had seen their communities broken up and destroyed, and who had no way to escape, who were the real victims who hated what multi-culturalism did to their former homes. But people like Tom really couldn't care less for them.
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