A political debate that shames us

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/leade...406888,00.html

Originally Posted by :
There's an ugly auction under way between Britain's two principal political parties over who can be tougher on foreigners. Behind it stands an unacknowledged obeisance to racism. Naturally, everyone denies this. But if it walks and talks like a duck, it is a duck - and be sure that party strategists on both sides know this.

The Guardian are stooping epic new levels of patheticness recently. The whole country is concerned about mass immigration, and what do thay do. Scream "racism", and demand that all debate be shut down so that the British people once again do not have their voices heard. I get the impression the Guardian would rather this was the Soviet Union, so that all notions of free thinking or speech could be stomped on with vigour.

Originally Posted by :
The new Labour line will also speak of 'legitimate concerns' about immigration and asylum seeker abuses. But are these concerns so 'legitimate' that we must develop policy which is frankly racist and denies basic human rights to some sections of society? Labour, no less than Ukip and the British National Party, is contributing to a hysterical climate in which swing voters report that their greatest fear is of immigrants and asylum seekers. Yet the UN reports that low birth rates mean Europe needs 1.6 million migrants a year to 2050 simply to keep its working-age population stable.

Anyone seeing a pattern here? Lump UKIP in with the BNP at every opportunity. Underhanded, deceitful and manipulative. The Guardian truly is a rag of the lowest order.

Originally Posted by :
Turning immigrants INTO phpbb_second-class citizens will inflame racial tension; the proposed rules do not target white immigrants, from the US or the EU for example. Labour should be exposing those who call for tighter rules for what they are - racists. Leadership could change the climate of opinion, and lead us away from what we know are our worst instincts. Instead, in a state of funk, Labour's leaders try to outbid the Opposition. They should be ashamed.

This is EXACTLY why we do have to address the issue now. If we keep letting in wave after wave of economic migrants who are "doing the jobs the British won't do", we will create a whole underclass that will not fit in with the rest of British society. It is not a race issue at all, and to try and make it one is dispicable. They are the ones who should be ashamed. They are playing right INTO phpbb_the hands of the BNP by doing this, by making people think that the problems are due to race.

I am disgusted.

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Here here!Im disgusted too!

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That letter is a microcosm of all that is wrong with the debate on asylum / immigration. It is inpossible to have any sensible discussion before somebody screams "racist". It shows how bad things have got when a good number are not prepared to put up with this anymore

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Not the man in the street fortunately. I came back through Heathrow in the last couple of days with a largish party of people from all levels in the company - we arrived after two incoming flights from Islamabad.

Not one of the party I was with failed to express views along the lines of "this must stop - enough is enough".

The Guardian has always been a paper for a minority - it's views are representative of only a few who labour under the misapprehension that they are right and seek to instil - by any means - their views on to the rest of the nation.

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Message to the Guardian/observer.

"Do we live in a fee country?"

Freedom of speech involves "the right to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, challenge the unchallengable." Oliver Wendell Homes.

Well do we?

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I am having a meeting with some constituents next week, they are builders labourers who havent worked for over two weeks because of east european labourers working for less.

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Lets get some facts straight:

1. Immigration is not Asylum.
a. Immigration n. the act of coming to a foreign country in order to settle there.
b. Immigrant n. A person who comes to a foreign country in order to settle there.
c. Asylum n. refuge granted to a political refugee from a foreign county.
d. Refuge n. shelter or protection from danger or hardship.
e. Refugee n. a person who has fled from some danger. (War or political).

2. Refugees/asylum seekers are not immigrants.
a. Refugees can be granted a safe haven until such time as the situation in there own country improves.
b. They should be granted refuge in the first safe country they enter not pick & chose their destination.
c. People fleeing their own country due to criminal activities should not be classed as asylum seekers.

UKIP MANS VIEWS not official.

Immigration, an immigrant should only be accepted if he/she conforms to the appropriate laws of the country. An immigrant should only be accepted after checks INTO phpbb_their character and a period of assessment.

The labour party have lefts the flood gates open with their no limit policy, all this has achieved is mass unrest, not just from the indigenous people of this country but also from the LEGAL immigrants that have come to this country over the years.

After the past 7 years they have had their chance but suddenly they have decided to join in and jump on a bandwagon, although they have found the wrong one.

UKIP MAN does not have a problem with people coming to this country to settle and improve their lives. But.

Letter to the Essex/London Enquirer. (Cut down version printed)

Originally Posted by :
This week the Tory leader Michael Howard told the public of his Proposals on Immigration. I personally think the Tory party are un-electable and are finished as a political party, I am not jumping up to support Mr Howard, on the contrary he has stolen most of his proposals from Ukip, What I would like to say is when-ever immigration is mentioned, Racist is the first word people reply with. Is it racist to want a country that is not over-populated? Is it racist to want a country that you can drive you car in, without parking it as soon as you start to move? Is it racist to want to be seen at an A&E without waiting for 5 or 6 hours for treatment? Is it racist to not feel Threatened in you own country? Good house keeping is what is needed, why should we in this country be overrun, if this happens then this country will not be fit for anyone to live in, there has to be a limit. It is only a small Island

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Originally Posted by Biscuitman:
I am having a meeting with some constituents next week, they are builders labourers who havent worked for over two weeks because of east european labourers working for less.

A mass influx of migrants distorts the labour market, and floods it with cheap labour, it keeps low paid workers on low pay.
But you won't her that from the labour lap dogs, i.e. the TRADE UNIONS.

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Originally Posted by :
But if it walks and talks like a duck...

But it doesn't. For one, ducks can't talk.

Or something.

And really, I am sick of the word "racist" being flung around as the put-down to everything.

oh, so you don't like not being able to understand the checkout girl/assistant/bus driver who can only speak, at best, fragmented English: obviously you are a racist.
(read: "forcing them to give up their language is tantamount to cultural genocide")

oh, so the fact that you no longer feel safe in your home town because of the large numbers of non-anglo-celts who stick to their own groups and who frequently have inter--ethnic minority group mini-wars: obviously you are a racist.
(read: you obviously don't udnerstand the vital and productive nature of those minority communities and the wealth of wonder they have brung to this nation)

etc.

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