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MrMoor 11:52 PM 07-02-2005
Is there anyone here or does anyone know someone who can dig out a "magic bullet" to stop this government?

What we need is a hidden law/legislation perhaps from the days of the Long Parliament, earlier or later which could possibly stop this "government" in it's tracks.

I am sure that during this country's long history someone must have put in place some legislation in the event of a rogue government intent of destroying the country and handing it over the the enemy or any other hostile power.

There must be something gathering dust in the vaults somewhere...
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gimlet 12:09 AM 08-02-2005
It is in Buckingham Palace.
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MrMoor 06:05 PM 08-02-2005
I don't know where it could be I'm not a lawyer. During the darkest days of WW2 and the Vichy/Quisling European governments someone in the government must have had the foresight to draw up a plan in the event of a government much like this one gaining power. There must be some safeguards to combat a Quisling/Pétain/Blair character from throwing our independence at the feet of the enemy.
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Aardvark 08:48 PM 09-02-2005
Wishful thinking I'm afraid. Since we have no constitution, we have no constitutional guarantee. That said, it is in the power of any subsequent government with a majority of one to change every law that is passed.


The Queen is supposed to rule in conjunction with the 2 Houses of Parliament, but the last time a monarch refused to sign a bill was when Victoria refused to sign the Welsh Churches Bill. At the time of the first Parliament act George V threatened to ennoble sufficient peers to see the bill through the house and George VI, as Commander in Chief threatened to walk up the beaches on D-Day if Churchill went ahead with his pie eyed idea of landing with the troops. I doubt if this monarch would do anything so drastic; Bliar is looking for the opportunity to make us a republic.

If indeed there is an old statute then it will fail if it is overruled by any subsequent legislation. Some people keep going on about Magna Carta as if it is some form of constitution, but it is not and most provisions have been repealed or re-enacted by or in subsequent statutes. There can be found some good books of statutes in law libraries, but you really need to know your way around. There is a 'ready reckoner' called 'Is it in Force' that gives an up to date summary of what laws are in force and which have gone. Case law is updated virtually daily, but you have to pay huge amounts to be on the subscribers lists. I use the Bodleian Library when I want to look up laws, but even I get lost walking around over 500,000 volumes (Bodleian readers tickets are given out to all Oxford University students and teachers and those of us lucky enough to havbe good cause to use the place for research).

To be honest, if there was some provision I am sure that the Tories, who have hundreds of perfectly good lawyers (Howard, Clarke, Ancram et al) would have been digging. I note that they are having a field day using the Freedom of Information Act. I would suggest that everyone looks at the FOIA on the HMSO website or buys a copy. Educated questions properly targeted can keep the government on its toes. It is noticeable that they can be panicked viz the reaction to the Tory lead on immigration. Despite the polls they are not as secure in their own minds as you might expect. :wink:
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