Originally Posted by david H:
Leo, I don't rally care if I am called a racist. I openly admit to being racialist as it is the basis of nationhood. I was not quibbling but describing what is going on in the world around us. I do not think immigrants consciously mean us harm in the main but act out their human behavious as we do. We have a common humanity and share a human nature which tells us from our behaviour in the colonies that they are likely to want to pay us back when they are more numerous and have more territory. You have no right to make the judgement that the rest of us might be punished for history. Opening mosques here incidentally, is staking out their territory.
Ethnic cleansing is a reasonable description of what is being done to us. There are many examples. Why have you not heard of them?

Sorry, David, but I don't think the people who have emigrated here from Commonwealth countries have in mind paying us back for what we did in their countries. I think they come here cos they see a higher standard of living and a better future for their children. I don't think revenge even enters their minds.

I only mentioned it as a possible explanation why Britain took in so many people from these places. I am not making any judgements, and certainly not one that we should all be punished for history. The colonial era was another time, and different standards applied then.
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Human nature is a constant. That is how we can understand the behaviour of classical civilisations. You never seem to understand the points but reply with dated, platitudes. With respect it is common to hear members of immigrant groups say it is payback time. What will be the limits of these paybacks? Please try not to reply with the points I have just answered.
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Originally Posted by Northumbrian:
So you don't agree with this then:

'RECOGNIZING the urgent need to respect and promote the inherent rights and characteristics of indigenous peoples, especially their rights to their lands, territories and resources, which derive from their political, economic and social structures and from their cultures, spiritual traditions, histories and philosophies'

From the UN charter on the rights of indigenous peoples.

FWDP -- UN Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I shouldn't think that recognising the needs of indigenous peoples requires turning other people into second class citizens.

You can both respect indigenous people and have a society in which all citizens, regardless of their racial origin, are treated equally. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

No?
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Where have you in mind Pakistan,Saudi? There is no such thing as equality. That is a silly abstraction that does not refer to anything in the world around us that we share. The problem is that communities of different people rival each other for territory and power and that is what is happening now in england. Your communities are taking our territory. I acknowledge that you were brought here andonly behaving as fellow human beings but those governmental decisions are not binding on the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by david H:
Human nature is a constant. That is how we can understand the behaviour of classical civilisations. You never seem to understand the points but reply with dated, platitudes. With respect it is common to hear members of immigrant groups say it is payback time. What will be the limits of these paybacks? Please try not to reply with the points I have just answered.

With equal respect, I have not heard this from any immigrant groups, but I am a boarder, and the only 'foreigners' I usually meet are boys at my school. (And, as I said, I have not lived in the UK for a couple of years.)

As for 'dated platitudes' I am not sure what platitudes I have voiced, but in view of my alleged lack of understanding, it would perhaps be better if I were to discontinue discussing this with you. There do not seem to be any points of common understanding between us, so little other than your further irritation is being achieved.

I mean this sincerely and with respect.
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Here is something for the platitude mongers to read.

Whites fear discrimination by public services - Telegraph
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Originally Posted by david H:
Here is something for the platitude mongers to read.

Whites fear discrimination by public services - Telegraph

Join the correct thread for discussion of this. Please read the rest of the thread before posting.
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Originally Posted by david H:
Where have you in mind Pakistan,Saudi? There is no such thing as equality. That is a silly abstraction that does not refer to anything in the world around us that we share.

That does not mean that we cannot work towards it. For instance, how do Nationalists view equality of the sexes?

Originally Posted by david H:
The problem is that communities of different people rival each other for territory and power and that is what is happening now in england. Your communities are taking our territory.

This is, in my opinion wrong. If a person is a British citizen, then they are not taking your territory, are they? They become subjects of British rule, they pay taxes, and as such are entitled to equal treatment in the eyes of the law. What about territories that belong to Britain but which are physically separate from Britain? How many Indigenous Caucasians live there, for instance?

Originally Posted by david H:
I acknowledge that you were brought here andonly behaving as fellow human beings but those governmental decisions are not binding on the rest of us.

Talk about platitudes. What does that statement even mean? What is the logical conclusion of that argument? What other laws do you not agree with that you think should not be binding upon you?
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