Originally Posted by HM:
Watch out for nailbombs, Hartlepool. I'm not sure BNPers are fond of being called "crossbred"! :-):-)

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on Hartlepool's incorrect spelling of the word cross-bred Harris. I have checked by the way with my Oxford Popular Dictionary for clarification, an inferior publication to the massive tome that you obviously have, but the point is made.:-)
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Originally Posted by Vortex:
I'm surprised you didn't pick up on Hartlepool's incorrect spelling of the word cross-bred Harris. I have checked by the way with my Oxford Popular Dictionary for clarification, an inferior publication to the massive tome that you obviously have, but the point is made.:-)

The New Oxford American Dictionary and American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language both recommend crossbred without the hyphen. If Hartlepool's into that kinky American spelling stuff, I'll leave them to it!
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Originally Posted by HM:
Except the ones who will have been persecuted and deported!

I'm not advocating the persecution or deportation of anyone other than those who have no legal right to be here. Moreover you can only be deported if you have a home nation to which you can be deported to.
I do support voluntary repatriation, on a none racial basis, of those willing to leave the UK and a complete halt to further migration from anywhere. On the grounds of social cohesion, democratic government, local and global environmental concerns, global diversity, because that is the democratic wish of the British people and because of the distortions it creates in the economy. Sorry if that makes me some sort of fanatic.

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I never mentioned ruling another nation. Your hypothesis therefore is a dud.

The definitions being banded about described nationalism as a belief in the superiority of one nation over another. The implicit assumption being superior nations have a right to rule lesser ones. However nationalism as a political ideology calls for self determination for all peoples equally and is inherently anti-Imperialistic. This is totally at odds with ideas of the supremacy of one over another.

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Indeed? Please give me the superior "political definition" then.

Nationalism: The belief that the optimum organisation of humanity is that of sovereign nation states.

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A personal belief. Not a proven hypothesis.

In that case neither is the opposite, asserted by the definition given. One opinion of many.
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How do you mean?
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Originally Posted by david H:
How do you mean?

How does who mean what?
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Originally Posted by Seasider:
There are obviously many posters on this forum who think that nationalists are horrid, nasty, vile creatures who are the most loathsome specimens to walk the planet and have no right to breathe the air that other lovely, intelligent, kind and beautiful people breathe.

Why is nationalism so very heinous?

I am interested to hear the views and mind sets of those who are anti and pro nationalism.

Any chance some of you could analyse your thoughts and post them?

Only a very short and basic thing at the moment, because I'm very tired.

Nationalism to me is the epitome of discrimination without good reason, the greatest sin as it were.
Being a staunch liberal and humanitarian, I am a firm believer in the ultimate equality of all humans, who after all each share the same pains and trials as any one of us do.

Nationalism is dangerous because it goes against this viewpoint; it encourages petty prejudice and the 'us vs. them' mentality from which most evils derive.
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There are a few nationalists here I find nasty but others who are not so. For_England is a very nice chap.
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Nasty on a scale from what?
Ghengis Khan - Hitler?
Bear poo - baby sick?

There's nasty and then there's nasty.
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It is a vague term. It is more important to see what a nationalist preach rather than looking at the label.

I look at this in this way. I have no problem with attachment towards national identity, patriotism or emphasizing national sovereignty over imperialism/forceful foreign intervention.
On the other hand I frown upon nationals across the world actively seeking violent independence and some political clowns who sometimes call themselves "nationalist" as a euphemism, or a total misonomer, to continue to play the politics of division in a slightly more fashionable manner.
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Originally Posted by Tara:
Nationalists are the true rebels against the European Union. Anyone who opposes nationalism is pro EU, Red Nazi, New World Order - only they're too blinded by political correctness to see it. They rely on cheap, infantile ad hominem arguments in a desperate attempt to silence those who refuse to board their slave ship. Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MARXISM AND MODERN SOCIETY

13) Political Correctness

a) "Political Correctness is in fact cultural Marxism-Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. The effort to translate Marxism from economics into culture did not begin with the student rebellion of the 1960s. It goes back at least to the 1920s and the writings of the Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci. In 1923, in Germany, a group of Marxists founded an institute devoted to making the transition, the Institute of Social Research (latter known as the Frankfurt School). One of its founders, George Lukacs, stated its purpose as answering the question, 'Who shall save us from Western Civilization?' The Frankfurt School gained profound influence in American universities after many of its leading lights fled to the United States in the 1930s to escape National Socialism in Germany." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?" Free Congress Foundation.

b) "The Frankfurt School blended Marx with Freud, and later influences (some Fascist as well as Marxist) added linguistics to create 'Critical Theory' and 'deconstructionism.' These in turn greatly influenced education theory, and through institutions of higher education gave birth to what we now call Political Correctness. The lineage is clear, and it is traceable right back to Karl Marx." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?" Free Congress Foundation.

c) "The parallels between cultural Marxism and classical, economic Marxism are also clear. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, shares with classical Marxism the vision of a 'classless society,' i.e., a society not merely of equal opportunity, but equal condition. Since that vision contradicts human nature-because people are different, they end up unequal, regardless of the starting point-society will not accord with it unless forced. So, under both variants of Marxism, it is forced. This is the first major parallel between classical and cultural Marxism: both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is fully visible on campuses where 'PC' has taken over the college: freedom of speech, of the press, and even of thought are all eliminated." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?' Free Congress Foundation.

Frankfurt School offers critical response to contemporary culture but virtually left no proposal/solution or promises made. And further more their theories perhaps are too deep for the general public to understand. It seem strange to me that conservatives from the English speaking countries like to exaggerate the influence and label everything they dont like as "cultural marxism".

Rationalism, equality and universalism dates back from the period of enlightenment and has far reaching effect on today's liberal philosophy. To claim that these values and beliefs suddenly jumped out from the 60s from a group of academians and since then it began to dominate western Media, campus and ways of lives reflects a deep sense of anxiety and insecurity by the contemporary conservatives.
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