There are obviously many posters on this forum who think that nationalists are horrid, nasty, vile creatures who are the most loathsome specimens to walk the planet and have no right to breathe the air that other lovely, intelligent, kind and beautiful people breathe.

Why is nationalism so very heinous?

I am interested to hear the views and mind sets of those who are anti and pro nationalism.

Any chance some of you could analyse your thoughts and post them?
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Nationalists are the true rebels against the European Union. Anyone who opposes nationalism is pro EU, Red Nazi, New World Order - only they're too blinded by political correctness to see it. They rely on cheap, infantile ad hominem arguments in a desperate attempt to silence those who refuse to board their slave ship. Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MARXISM AND MODERN SOCIETY

13) Political Correctness

a) "Political Correctness is in fact cultural Marxism-Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. The effort to translate Marxism from economics into culture did not begin with the student rebellion of the 1960s. It goes back at least to the 1920s and the writings of the Italian Communist Antonio Gramsci. In 1923, in Germany, a group of Marxists founded an institute devoted to making the transition, the Institute of Social Research (latter known as the Frankfurt School). One of its founders, George Lukacs, stated its purpose as answering the question, 'Who shall save us from Western Civilization?' The Frankfurt School gained profound influence in American universities after many of its leading lights fled to the United States in the 1930s to escape National Socialism in Germany." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?" Free Congress Foundation.

b) "The Frankfurt School blended Marx with Freud, and later influences (some Fascist as well as Marxist) added linguistics to create 'Critical Theory' and 'deconstructionism.' These in turn greatly influenced education theory, and through institutions of higher education gave birth to what we now call Political Correctness. The lineage is clear, and it is traceable right back to Karl Marx." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?" Free Congress Foundation.

c) "The parallels between cultural Marxism and classical, economic Marxism are also clear. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, shares with classical Marxism the vision of a 'classless society,' i.e., a society not merely of equal opportunity, but equal condition. Since that vision contradicts human nature-because people are different, they end up unequal, regardless of the starting point-society will not accord with it unless forced. So, under both variants of Marxism, it is forced. This is the first major parallel between classical and cultural Marxism: both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is fully visible on campuses where 'PC' has taken over the college: freedom of speech, of the press, and even of thought are all eliminated." William S. Lind, "What is Political Correctness?' Free Congress Foundation.
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People tend to demonise their opponents or at least personalise things far too much. It is perhaps simpler than analysing their arguments, but there is more to it than that. Finding out that your political opponents are ordinary human beings can be a bit discomforting for some.

I am quite happy to accept that people with whom I have strong political disagreements may be charming, witty and intelligent, nor do I hate people for their views. I have noticed how much of the political debate in the US has been disfigured by a real hatred among some for their opponents. The antipathy to George Bush by some on the left seems far more personal and hate-filled than anything I have seen in British politics.

The idea that one's political opponents are stupid just because they do not hold the same views is also irritating. A politician widely acknowledged as intellectually one of the most gifted in the 20th century was Enoch Powell, for example. While I would not care for some of his views, it does seem futile to me to deny someone's intellectual ability on that basis.
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Nationalism: An extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries. —The Oxford Dictionary of English (2nd edition revised)

I am all for a bit of liberal patriotism without trampling over innocent people's rights but I don't believe that Britain - or the British for that matter - are superior to any other country (or people). I would hasten to add also that I did say "Nazionalist nasties" and am not classing all nationalists as nasty people. Even if nationalists from BNP, NF and BPP camps do seem pretty nasty in their viewpoints.
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Originally Posted by HM:
Nationalism: An extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries. —The Oxford Dictionary of English (2nd edition revised)

The problem is, is that over the years the cultural Marxists have tampered with the meanings of words and edited dictionaries, historical facts, school text books, the Bible etc.

A true nationalist respects the rights of peoples of every nation and doesn't think their own is any better than any other. People due to political correctness have been brainwashed into confusing nationalists with supremacists, the true Nazis are the PC brigade and those that are forcing through the EU - our own government. The Nazis are also preparing to depopulate the planet by engineering a food crisis, they are going to kill off the useless eaters by starving them to death.
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Originally Posted by Tara:
The problem is, is that over the years the cultural Marxists have tampered with the meanings of words and edited dictionaries, historical facts, school text books, the Bible etc.

A true nationalist respects the rights of peoples of every nation and doesn't think their own is any better than any other. People due to political correctness have been brainwashed into confusing nationalists with supremacists, the true Nazis are the PC brigade and those that are forcing through the EU - our own government. The Nazis are also preparing to depopulate the planet by engineering a food crisis, they are going to starve to death half the planet.

To some point I have to say there is some paranoia here. I mean please, Marxists have infilitrated the Oxford dictionary?! I do disagree with a lot of the politically correct mumbojumbo but that's the definition there. Other dictonaries I've checked say similar things, along with "an extreme form of patriotism" (that crops up regularly). As I've said, I have no problem with patriotism or conservatism but I don't think fanatical nationalism is healthy and the way nationalism is embodied in Britain doesn't float my boat one bit.
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There are various forms of nationalism, namely cultural, ethnic, civic, state...Wiki and Stanford encyclopedia give quite enough of explanation. Most forms of nationalistic ideas and messages conveyed in reality are probably mixed of more than one form.

It is very hard to find serious "nationalists" online. Internet is a good place for serious discussion but also a convenient spot to find useless grumbling
and perhaps a good laugh.
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My old Collins says...
nationalism n,-nationalist n, one who advocates a policy of national independence.

It would seem that the insertion of the following words in the later Oxford 2 ed rev indicate something is bad or bullying in our peoples Nationalism.

Those words,EXTREME,PATRIOTISM,SUPERIORITY OVER OTHER COUNTRIES indicate that the OXFORD books are indeed,cooked.
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Could the answer be for the same reason that "poo" atracts flies?

(Damm that constipated profanity filer!)
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Originally Posted by Hartlepool:
My old Collins says...
nationalism n,-nationalist n, one who advocates a policy of national independence.

It would seem that the insertion of the following words in the later Oxford 2 ed rev indicate something is bad or bullying in our peoples Nationalism.

Those words,EXTREME,PATRIOTISM,SUPERIORITY OVER OTHER COUNTRIES indicate that the OXFORD books are indeed,cooked.

"nationalism n,-nationalist n, one who advocates a policy of national independence." That is a secondary definition; and one that is inapplicable to this context.

Why would "extreme patriotism" make it "cooked"? You're not Nick Griffin in this video, are you? :-) . The word 'extreme' is the best possible word for the definition; it is merely used to show that there a very strong form of patriotism abundant in nationalism. Not to make it sound "bad". Surely you can't be arguing with that?

Anyway; just to even it out I've got another definition from a reliable online dictionary. Enjoy:

Nationalism:
1. loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups. —Merriam-Webster

Look down the various definitione here: nationalism - definition of nationalism by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.. They all suggest a similar thing: Extreme patriotism to the extent that followers are willing to sacrifice for their nation and believe it to be superior to others.
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