Wooo. Looks heavy weight. Just to throw in a quick matter of fact. The title of this thread is wrong.

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Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated [1

From wiki

Just gets better doesn't it?

Sorry if this has already been established.
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Originally Posted by Tony Bennett:
An article which - rightly - links the current increase in the severe repression in the Islamic Republic of Iran with the violent rantings of the 'prophet' Mohammed in The Koran:

American Thinker: Islamic Terror Breeds in Iran

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The same author, on the same website, gives the root cause for this, and funnily enough, it doesn't appear to be Islam:-

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Jimmy Carter helped give birth to the virulent Shiite Islamism by forbidding the Shah of Iran to crush the bloodthirsty Ayatollah Khomeini and his band of rabid Islamists. Now, Mr. Obama intends to confer legitimacy on the illegitimate child, the Islamic Republic of Iran....

...Jimmy Carter did his thing and my people died. In no time at all, the vicious Mullahs gutted the Iranian armed forces and executed many of its most capable officers. Saddam Hussein watched gleefully as the Iranian military disintegrated, and found the opportunity to carry out his Pan Arabism ambition by attacking Iran. Some eight years of barbaric butchery killed and maimed millions on both sides, gutted the vibrant Iranian economy, and visited misery of all sorts upon the Iranian people.

American Thinker: Mr. Obama: Don't Betray My People

Was the Shah of Iran being spoken about above not Muslim?

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
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whypatcopndellisntfun referred to: "...the bloodthirsty Ayatollah Khomeini and his band of rabid Islamists..."

REPLY: A description of people whose prime if not only source document for their bloodthirstiness and rabid Islamism is The Koran. This description includes:

* The majority of people in Iran, Gaza and Palestinian West Bank,
* Many in Iraq, Pakistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, The Yemen and Afghanistan -
* Plus hundreds of thousands of militant, Al-Qa'eda-supporting Islamist fundamentalists in many other parts of the world.

All militant and rabid because they read, re-read and memorise the bloodthirsty, morbid, and often suicidal rantings of a man who spent his last 10 years combining conquering Arabia with exceptional violence and cruelty, with maintaining his sexual relationship with Aisha, who was 9 when they first consummated their marriage and 18 when he died.

He probably died of poisoning, by the way. He had many enemies when he died. But since his death he has had hundreds of millions of followers

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Originally Posted by Tony Bennett:
whypatcopndellisntfun referred to: "...the bloodthirsty Ayatollah Khomeini and his band of rabid Islamists..."

As you well know, I was quoting a source that you had originally used to try and attack the religion of Islam. The article I linked to was from an Iranian journalist whom you had already quoted so that would suggest you respect his opinion.

If you would care to answer any of the points I raised in the original post you replied to, that would be great, otherwise, I'm not going to engage in debate with a person who likes to sidestep historical facts which have been related by a journalist whom you have previously quoted yourself.

I'm sorry if I'm calling into question your narrow view of not only Islam and geo-politics, but your last post made it painfully obvious that when you have not the wherewithal to actually withstand an intelligent rebuttal of your assertions, or the good grace to admit defeat, you resort to a clearly desperate attempt to goad me into some sort of reaction.

All you have to do is prove me wrong that the political interference of a foreign power caused the rise of "virulent Shiite Islamism" within Iran which was already being ruled by a Muslim Shah. This interference in turn had far reaching consequences which are still being played out in Iraq today.

I quote again:

Originally Posted by :
Jimmy Carter helped give birth to the virulent Shiite Islamism by forbidding the Shah of Iran to crush the bloodthirsty Ayatollah Khomeini and his band of rabid Islamists. Now, Mr. Obama intends to confer legitimacy on the illegitimate child, the Islamic Republic of Iran....

...Jimmy Carter did his thing and my people died. In no time at all, the vicious Mullahs gutted the Iranian armed forces and executed many of its most capable officers. Saddam Hussein watched gleefully as the Iranian military disintegrated, and found the opportunity to carry out his Pan Arabism ambition by attacking Iran. Some eight years of barbaric butchery killed and maimed millions on both sides, gutted the vibrant Iranian economy, and visited misery of all sorts upon the Iranian people.

American Thinker: Mr. Obama: Don't Betray My People

Was the Shah of Iran being spoken about above not Muslim?

Just to bring home my point, I also refer you to The Mossadegh Project

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Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh (1882-1967) was a lawyer, professor, author, Governor, Parliament member, Finance Minister, Defense Minister, and democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran.

Mossadegh fought both internal corruption and British colonialism, enacted social reforms and nationalized the Iranian oil industry. In 1953, he was overthrown by a U.S. funded CIA coup, arrested and tried as a traitor in military tribunal court. It was the CIA's first successful dismantling of a foreign government, and Iran has not known democracy since.

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Oh yes. Oil might have had something to do with it.


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A reminder of the menace of young Muslim men fuelled in their violence by The Koran. See the 3-minute video at the foot of the page for reminders of the insane, violent, suicidal madness that overpowers these young men, as you watch Leeds classroom assistant Mohammed Siddiqui Khan calmly kiss his little daughter 'goodbye' - just before he and his Islamist mates cruelly end the lives of 52 people in London. There are reactions to Mohammed Siddiqui Khan from some of the bereaved:

BBC NEWS | UK | Jury dismissed in 7/7 plot trial

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whypatconellisntfun: "I'm sorry if I'm calling into question your narrow view of not only Islam and geo-politics, but your last post made it painfully obvious that when you have not the wherewithal to actually withstand an intelligent rebuttal of your assertions, or the good grace to admit defeat, you resort to a clearly desperate attempt to goad me into some sort of reaction. All you have to do is prove me wrong that the political interference of a foreign power caused the rise of 'virulent Shiite Islamism' within Iran which was already being ruled by a Muslim Shah. This interference in turn had far reaching consequences which are still being played out in Iraq today".

REPLY: I might accept 'triggered'. But not 'caused'

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The 12-year-old female victim of forced marriage in Afghanistan.

37-second video showing the brutal effects, nearly 1,400 years later, of the 'prophet' Mohammed legitimising child sexual abuse


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How Mohammed forced Aisha's father to give up his 6-year-old daughter as a 'gift' to his 'brother', the so-called 'prophet':


Let's put it bluntly.

He fancied her

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Self-flogging and censorhip for fear of a murderous fatwa, the 'Prophet' Muhammed's legacy on 19 August 2008 (courtesy of Google today):

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Mohammed book 'censored'
News24 - South Africa
Copenhagen - The decision by US publisher Random House not to publish a controversial book on the Prophet Mohammed for fear that it would offend Muslims has ...
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US publishers cancel book on Prophet Mohammed's wife
AFP -
NEW YORK (AFP) — A US publisher has cancelled the publication of a novel about the youngest wife of the Muslim prophet Mohammed amid a growing controversy ...
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Serbia: Controversial book divides Muslim groups
Adnkronos International Italia - Roma,Lazio,Italy
"If someone regards the prophet Mohammed as a saint, one cannot force others to have the same symbol of faith," he said. "Literature is fiction and if ...
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'Boys forced into Muslim flogging ritual'
Times Online - UK
... was celebrating the traditional Ashura festival, a ritual act of lamentation commemorating the slaughter of the Prophet Muhammad's grandson, Husayn, ...
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Rushdie rounds on his publishers
First Post - Cheltenham,England,UK
Salman Rushdie has waded into the row over The Jewel of Medina, the romantic novel about the prophet Muhammad’s child bride Aisha written by an American ...
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Extreme persecution of Christians, and the prediction of more trouble ahead, in Pakistan, from the followers of the Prophet Mohammed - a report from British Conservative Benedict Rogers:

The Cutting Edge News

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