Originally Posted by I love Islam:
هل تؤمن بإبراهيم و يعقوب وموسى و جدعون و داود و رحبعام و سليمان و هوشع كأنبياء كان يأتيهم الوحي من عند الله؟ هل تعلم أن تعدُّد الزوجات أباحها الله فى الشريعة التي انزلها الله على هؤلاء الانبياء؟ و هذا من الكتاب المقدس الذ-1 وَأَحَبَّ الْمَلِكُ سُلَيْمَانُ نِسَاءً غَرِيبَةً كَثِيرَةً مَعَ بِنْتِ فِرْعَوْنَ: مُوآبِيَّاتٍ وَعَمُّونِيَّاتٍ وَأَدُومِيَّاتٍ وَصَيْدُونِيَّاتٍ وَحِثِّيَّاتٍ 2مِنَ الأُمَمِ الَّذِينَ قَالَ عَنْهُمُ الرَّبُّ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ: لاَ تَدْخُلُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ وَهُمْ لاَ يَدْخُلُونَ إِلَيْكُمْ، لأَنَّهُمْ يُمِيلُونَ قُلُوبَكُمْ وَرَاءَ آلِهَتِهِمْ. -etcفى الإعتبار أن اسم حمى موسى جاء مختلفاً: فقد

Your spell checker really needs replacing.
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Originally Posted by Tony Bennett:
Aardvark: "Mo was a man of his time [in consummating his marriage to Aisha when he was 54 and his bride was 9]..."

QUESTION: But also, according to himself and his followers, God's 'final messenger' on earth. Did he set his followers a good example?

FURTHER REPLY: Aardvark, have re-posted my question in the hope that you are able to help with an answer

for ***** sake bennett, the way you're going on anyone would think that the prophet mohammed had walked in to the poor girls bedrom and kidnapped her whilst her parents were down the road at a camel race............

Can't you find something to be annoyed about and bore us rigid with in your own life instead of continuing to demonstrate your misplaced righteousnes about other peoples lives?

And you've got about as much chance of getting an injunction agnst the prophet as you have against the McCanns, both parties having friends in very high places!
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c_steam wrote: "And you've got about as much chance of getting an injunction against the prophet as you have against the McCanns, both parties having friends in very high places!"

REPLY: On this occasion, I fully agree with you. The prophet's defenders usually resort to killings or fatwas though, rather an injunctions and libel writs, to achieve their ends.

P.S. Madeleine McCann's message to the world: "Forget Amber Alert, just make sure you never leave young children like me and the twins on their own"

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The Bear: "I detest Islam but that was just in bad taste".

REPLY: Point taken, The Bear, but then look at the repercussions 1,400 years later of the 'Prophet''s actions with Aisha - those poor abused 9-year-old girls in The Yemen and in many other Islamic countries elsewhere, abused because generations of Mohammedans think this is OK to do.

Who is doing anything about their plight?

Who actually cares?

By the way, my earlier post was much closer to the mark than you think. Read in the 'holy' Islamic Hadith how Mohammed just 'summoned Aisha to his tent' when he was ready to consummate his marriage

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Having looked this up again, it is actually worse than I remembered it. Here are the four key references from the Hadith, the early collection of Islamic proof texts which have been venerated for 1,300 years by Mohammedan scholars. Now don't critcise me for regurgitating the 'holy' Hadith:

Tabari IX: 130

"When the Prophet married Aisha, she was very young and not yet ready for consummation."

Tabari IX:131

"My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."

Bukhari: V9B86N98:

"The Prophet said, 'A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent.' 'O Apostle! How will the virgin express her consent.' He said, 'By remaining silent.'"

Bukhari: V9B87N139-40:

"Allah's Apostle told Aisha, 'You were shown to me twice in my dreams'. I beheld a man or angel carrying you in a silken cloth. He said to me, "She is yours, so uncover her." And behold, it was you. I would then say to myself, "If this is from Allah, then it must happen."'"

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This is all relevant because Mohammed's conduct blights the lives of 9-year-olds in Muslim societies today - as the Editor of the Dallas Times, whom I quoted in the original posting, was right to point out

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Originally Posted by The Bear:
Sorry bloke, I detest Islam but that was just in bad taste.

I've noticed that spam advertising fake Viagra, penis enlargement etc now comes with attention-grabbing headings designed to make you want to read the contents.

Here are a few of the latest:-

Celeb electrocuted by guitar in Concert
Computer blows up in meeting video
Tom Cruise killed in plane crash

This one is rather feeble...

Bar gets flooded with beer

And this one...How about it Bear?

Woman gets humped by bears
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Originally Posted by Tony Bennett:
The Bear: "I detest Islam but that was just in bad taste".

REPLY: Point taken, The Bear, but then look at the repercussions 1,400 years later of the 'Prophet''s actions with Aisha - those poor abused 9-year-old girls in The Yemen and in many other Islamic countries elsewhere, abused because generations of Mohammedans think this is OK to do.

Who is doing anything about their plight?

Who actually cares?

By the way, my earlier post was much closer to the mark than you think. Read in the 'holy' Islamic Hadith how Mohammed just 'summoned Aisha to his tent' when he was ready to consummate his marriage

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In his book “the go-between” Hartley wrote “The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there” and hie was absolutely correct.

It is doubly so when we are considering the past IN a foreign country.

Islam was invented 1300 years ago in a foreign country literally and figuratively. By its nature it can not change from still being 1300 years out of date. It was invented to capitalise on tribal conflict that was endemic which it did but at a dreadful cost to mankind.

Since then the imperative has been and remains to change whatever society or culture it encounters to align with the morality of 1300 years ago.

Islam is often referred to as one of The Great Religions of the world. I suppose in the strict meaning of “religion” that is true, but in the conventional meaning of the word it is a religion in the same way that Scientology is a religion though Scientology at least does not use a “god” as the cement to hold it together (unless Mammon is included on the pantheon!).

To condemn what takes place in Islam against our standards is useful since it exposes just how archaic and inappropriate Islam is for our Western world but on the other hand is pointless since our Western world and our Western values are incompatible with Islam.

There is a place in the world for Islam, it is in Islamic societies since they are structured to match with the dictates of Islam.

There is no place for Islam in our world, since Islam can not compromise and can not integrate other than as an intermediary stage towards full control (and that doesn’t mean a majority in The House either) and the staggering stupidity of the failed Multi Cultural experiment by New Labour fools is what is now in the process of taking us down a road that will end up in tears.

We should be doing what we can to secure our society from the influence of Islam, not attempting to accommodate it into our nation. If people who are Muslims have a legitimate right to live in our country then good luck to them, the majority are good and decent people who just want to earn a living ad get by without let or hindrance but it should be under the strict understanding that THEY must integrate with US and NEVER the other way round.

The Straits of Dover really should have been the 20th. century “Gates of Vienna” to Islam but unfortunately rather than shutting them New Labour has even removed the gateposts.

As I wrote, this will end in tears.

In the matter of the tragic plight of women and girls in Islam, if it’s not in Britain then it’s out of our jurisdiction. What I am concerned about is the cases of Female Genital Mutilation of young girls that are encountered during routine medical exams in this country and that nothing is done to prosecute the parents.

If a kid goes into hospital with a bruised eye are a broken arm the possibility of parental abuse is always considered even though the injury is probably accidental yet in the case of FGM where accidental injury would be ludicrous to suggest NOTHING gets done by the medical authorities, the social services, or the police.

THAT is an indication if one were needed of just how far down the road of being subjugated by Islam this country has become.
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Originally Posted by The Bear:
By its nature it can not change from still being 1300 years out of date.
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Suffi Islam shows that statement is inaccurate Bear, even without going into any further analysis. Islam is not much worse than xtianity or more inflexible.
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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
Suffi Islam shows that statement is inaccurate Bear, even without going into any further analysis. Islam is not much worse than xtianity or more inflexible.

Which "Suffi" brotherhood did you have in mind? There are four principle sects and a number of smaller groups. There is also considerable main stream opinion that Sufi-ism in un-Islamic.

As for flexibility in Christianity compared to inflexibility in Islam, chalk and cheese come to mind.

For example consider the role of the Pope, and his powers to radically change much about how Christianity is practised in the Roman Catholic Church just by papal encyclicals.

What’s more Christianity doesn’t extend to the minutia that Islam does. I am yet to find in scripture where it declares which hand to use to wipe one’s backside, let alone how many stones to use, or the reason why.

It’s bizarre. Check out this lot, then tell me Islam is “just a religion”.

Filth and Istinja
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Originally Posted by :
Which "Suffi" brotherhood did you have in mind? There are four principle sects and a number of smaller groups. There is also considerable main stream opinion that Sufi-ism in un-Islamic.

I was simply talking about general suffi Islam. There is a considerable opinion among a sects of Islam that the others are un-Islamic.

Which "Suffi" brotherhood did you have in mind? There are four principle sects and a number of smaller groups. There is also considerable main stream opinion that Sufi-ism in un-Islamic.

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As for flexibility in Christianity compared to inflexibility in Islam, chalk and cheese come to mind.

For example consider the role of the Pope, and his powers to radically change much about how Christianity is practised in the Roman Catholic Church just by papal encyclicals.

What’s more Christianity doesn’t extend to the minutia that Islam does. I am yet to find in scripture where it declares which hand to use to wipe one’s backside, let alone how many stones to use, or the reason why.

It’s bizarre. Check out this lot, then tell me Islam is “just a religion”.

Sounds like the OT. Monotheistic religions are like that, they are universalist things.
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