Kernow wrote:-

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If they had ginger hair why not!? A silly question deserved a silly answer!

Hear ! Hear !
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Originally Posted by kernow:
Like they've always voted Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrat because their parents and grandparents have always blindly voted for a particular party! I was talking to a nice lady today, who is EUsceptic and against mass immigration, she told me she is still going to vote Lib Dem' at the next election, as she did at the last GE election, because that was her party!

The problem is in the South West, as I expect you know, the "Old Liberal party" was perceived as the radical party unfortunately now they are Lib Dims and part of the establishment
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Originally Posted by g hall:
The problem is in the South West, as I expect you know, the "Old Liberal party" was perceived as the radical party unfortunately now they are Lib Dims and part of the establishment

You're spot on there g hall!
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I think both ernow and G Hall's comments regarding voting are very sensible, but the problem remains as top how one measures support for a particular issues particualry a devisive one like this and how much governments should listen to opinon polls which so far is the nly method Kernow has put forward as regards measurng support.
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Originally Posted by rjt:
how much governments should listen to opinon polls which so far is the nly method Kernow has put forward as regards measurng support.

rjt, if hanging hadn't been banned in this Country and the government suddenly came up with a referendum on banning it , would you say publicly if your side won, that a referendum was not a reliable way of judging public opinion?
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Originally Posted by kernow:
rjt, if hanging hadn't been banned in this Country and the government suddenly came up with a referendum on banning it , would you say publicly if your side won, that a referendum was not a reliable way of judging public opinion?

Of course I would accept the result of a free and fair referendum. By free and fair I mean the question is agreed by both sides and equal money, air time and literature is made available to those voting.

Then is those conditions were inplace and a majority of the electorate voted for it.

I think I am on safe ground as a majority of the electorate seldom vote for anthing!

It would not change my personal view and I would work hard to see any use of the death penalty was used as little as possible and plead for mercy for those sentenced to it.
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Originally Posted by rjt:
Of course I would accept the result of a free and fair referendum. By free and fair I mean the question is agreed by both sides and equal money, air time and literature is made available to those voting.

Then is those conditions were inplace and a majority of the electorate voted for it.

I think I am on safe ground as a majority of the electorate seldom vote for anthing!

It would not change my personal view and I would work hard to see any use of the death penalty was used as little as possible and plead for mercy for those sentenced to it.

rjt, I think you and I must accept we are flogging a dead horse because you and I will never reach an agreement on Capital Punishment!

Would you be happy if the Government held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?
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Delighted as they should given the promises they have made. I wouldnt expect those who feel the treaty is good for Britain simply to shut up after the referendum. I would expect them to continue to argue there case that we should be in the EU.

I would vote no by the way, on both referndums just as I would have voted no in 1975, no if I lived in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland as regards the devolution referndum.

That is nearly as many nos as Ian Paisley!
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rjt wrote:-

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I think I am on safe ground as a majority of the electorate seldom vote for anthing!

Simply because, in my view, our current legislative system is structured for MPs to enact their ideas on the assumption that 'they-know-better-than-the-voters'. Thus there is no need to have referenda on anything.

Although Westcountryman posted a democracy-damaging quote by Churchill recently, I see the way forward as thro' some variant of Direct Democracy. I urge you all to study the concept in more detail.
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Clippo makes comments on the current system. If you want to change the system you have to get rid of those who run it. Something he himself seems reluctant to do.


He is quite happy to support the system when it delivers what he wants but when it fails to do so he starts complaining

Also for someone who sees himself as a man of science it is amazing how low in value he holds the sanctity of human life.
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