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david H 01:59 PM 16-08-2008
I was not sure where to put this newspaper report from thisisderbyshire.co but it is important as it shows what will happen to UKIP if they start to make progress and the Free England Party.

BREAKING NEWS: Anti-BNP activists attack police
09:30 - 16-August-2008
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About 40 anti-fascist activists have scuffled with police near to the entrance to this weekend's controversial BNP festival in Denby.
The activists, believed to be from Antifa, started the trouble at 11am in Breach Road, at the junction with Denby Common.
But police managed to get the situation under control by 11.30am and six arrests were made for public order offences.
The activists tried to pile up a barrier of gates, tyres and drums from nearby fields while throwing missles at the police.
Officers managed to stop them from creating the barrier, which it is believed was being built to stop BNP members from coming to the festival.
Assistant Chief Constable Peter Goodman said: "There were 250 officers involved in the policing operation today. It is unclear how many of these were involved in the scuffle but one officer is believed to have received minor injuries."
The activists are separate to the 500 protestors who marched down the A6007 Heanor Road against the BNP Red, White and Blue festival.
Demonstrators from Unite Against Fascism, the TUC and Unison were flanked by 150 police officers as they marched through the village of Codnor, Derbyshire, to rally against the BNP.
Waving placards bearing slogans such as "Jobs And Homes Not Racism", the protesters walked down the village’s main high street to a farmer’s field where the BNP was holding its festival.
The protesters will later be addressed by Bob Crow, general secretary of the Rail, Maritime and Transport Union and Amber Valley MP Judy Mallabar.
But there were a number of hold-ups as demonstrators from the various groups argued among themselves about who should be at the front of the march.
Ass Ch Con Goodman said: "Only a small number of people were involved in violent protest. The vast majority of protestors behaved impeccably."
A police helicopter is being used for the event and is currently hovering over the BNP festival site, while police with sniffer dogs searched nearby fields for activists.
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Independent UKIP 12:30 AM 17-08-2008

Originally Posted by david H:
I was not sure where to put this newspaper report from thisisderbyshire.co but it is important as it shows what will happen to UKIP if they start to make progress and the Free England Party.

UKIP and Free England are not similar to the BNP. UKIP had a small amount of success in 2004 without such a reaction. It is though a perfectly appropriate topic, of course.
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david H 01:06 AM 17-08-2008
Yes, but to left wing extremists UKIP are a type of fascist even though some UKIP members are left-wing themselves and that some leaders have invited Searchlight to vet new membership applications . I understand Searchlight still attacks UKIP in print if not in the flesh.
I am sure that Antifa would see UKIP or Free England as some sort of fascist -patriotic movement.
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London Orbital 01:23 AM 17-08-2008

Originally Posted by david H:
Yes, but to left wing extremists UKIP are a type of fascist even though some UKIP members are left-wing themselves and that some leaders have invited Searchlight to vet new membership applications . I understand Searchlight still attacks UKIP in print if not in the flesh.
I am sure that Antifa would see UKIP or Free England as some sort of fascist -patriotic movement.

Searchlight represent a form of Jewish defence - they started by attacking Mosley and see the BNP as Mosley's successors. Why would they bother about UKIP?
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BonnieDundee 07:44 AM 18-08-2008
It is true that some people think UKIP are fascist, I think it is even a stretch to call the BNP that. But I have never seen anyone display the same kind of hatred for them as for the BNP or real fascists and Nazis.
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david H 08:49 AM 18-08-2008
Bonnie, you are quite right. I am thinking of this as a sort of ratchet movement, when youv'e got rid of one move onto then next; to ridding the country or wider of what the "Socialists" see as patriotic or nationalistic and they do see UKIP, irationally, I think, as nationalists because they oppose the EU. The idea of a moratorium on immigration is more so.
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david H 08:51 AM 18-08-2008
London Orbital is also spot on. I believe the other Socialist groups in the anti-fascist alliance,or whatever it was, refused to work with Searchlight because of their "Zionism."
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C_steam 08:58 AM 18-08-2008

Originally Posted by david H:
But there were a number of hold-ups as demonstrators from the various groups argued among themselves about who should be at the front of the march.

priceless.
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Seasider 09:44 AM 18-08-2008

Originally Posted by BonnieDundee:
It is true that some people think UKIP are fascist, I think it is even a stretch to call the BNP that. But I have never seen anyone display the same kind of hatred for them as for the BNP or real fascists and Nazis.

I agree with you here BonnieDundee and the media have a lot to answer for in stirring up hatred against the BNP and putting them into the firing line for random and uncalled for violence.

I am sure there are members of the BNP who are less than desirable, but the same is true of most of the political parties and one shouldn't extrapolate that into thinking that ALL BNP members and their families are there to be bullied and attacked.
If people hate their policies and can't abide anything about them the answer is simple...'Don't Vote For the BNP'
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SilverFalcon 10:24 AM 18-08-2008
I love the "anti-fascist" slogan. If there was ever a fascist movement in all its glory, complete with violent thug element and unending smear campaigning, it has to be the far left.
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