Originally Posted by david H:
I do agree with kernow. I think there are those who are born like it and the ones I had in mind who are "designer gays" - doing it because it is fashionable. If you talk to those who "are on the scene" they will tell you of "perverts" who go to gay bars who are probably married and not exclusively attracted to their own sex.

If someone is not excusivley attracted to their own sex, then that would
mean that they are bisexual, how does that make them perverts?
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Originally Posted by g hall:
After reading this perhaps not such an open and shut case as everyone presumes

Suspected school shooter's childhood marred by violence : Oxnard : Ventura County Star

so many shades of gray

Thanks for the link, Mr Hall.
Perhaps an important point is that both the (alleged) perpetrator and victim came from what is currently termed "disfunctional" homes.

Larry, it would seem, taunted or even provoked Brandon.
But why was Brandon so vulnerable to such taunts?
What got him so bent out of shape that he sneaked a gun into school and shot another pupil?
It surely must have been premeditated. An anger taken out of school and nursed to keep it warm to quote THE bard. An anger so intense that he planned the means, the end, and did it.

In my view, that makes him guilty.
For sure, there are others implicit.
The school for not being effective in excluding firearms.
The school for not being able to defuse tensions.
The parents for not preventing access to firearms.

But only one person pulled the trigger.
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If anyone could manage to incorporate Mrs. Thatcher, fox hunting, homosexuality, anti-Semitism, and the (loathsome) BNP with a bit of climate change thrown in for good measure the thread would go on for ever!
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Originally Posted by The Bear:
If anyone could manage to incorporate Mrs. Thatcher, fox hunting, homosexuality, anti-Semitism, and the (loathsome) BNP with a bit of climate change thrown in for good measure the thread would go on for ever!

I love a challenge.

We have Thatcher to thank for stopping the National Front in its tracks, which of course led to John Tyndall jumping ship and starting the BNP, which Nick Griffin wrestled control of. Nick Griffin wrote the anti-Semitic booklet "Who are the Mind Benders" in which he asserted that Jews dominated the mass media and manipulated it to their purpose.

In 2002, Griffin was interviewed by The Observer and had this to say about homosexuality:-

Originally Posted by :
There's plenty of people making soap operas that present homosexuality as a wonderful lifestyle,' he explains, 'which as a matter of fact it very often isn't. But plenty of people promoting it are heterosexual. So if you fined or even imprisoned a BBC filmmaker for breaching those laws, then it's not persecuting a homosexual necessarily, it's persecuting someone for breaking those laws.

Andrew Anthony meets Nick Griffin | From the Observer | The Observer

As recently as 2007, the official BNP position on homosexuality was thus:-

Originally Posted by :
For example, liberal or homosexual television producers cast popular actors as homosexuals in parts which portray them in a sympathetic light. There is clear evidence that millions of people watching such programmes are unable to distinguish between fact and fiction. This explains the growth in the belief that homosexuality is a normal and acceptable thing, a matter of personal choice rather than the disorder which shortens life expectancy by decades, and has brought the world one of the most deadly plagues since the Black Death.

Internet Archive Wayback Machine (thank you Internet Archive, thank you so much)

Foxes, as we all know, are known to be the main causes of climate change, what with their incessant breaking of wind.

OK.

I made up the bit about foxes and climate change.

But the rest is true.
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Whoo Hoo!

Smithers, release the hounds!
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