Originally Posted by ukiplassie:
NE? We don't even have an MEP there so why do you think we have yes men on the list?

Just because we don't have an MEP there doesn't mean that cap doffers wont line up for a potential MEP position.
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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware:
Just because we don't have an MEP there doesn't mean that cap doffers wont line up for a potential MEP position.

Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps there are people who do actually support the leadership because they agree with them? They might not spend their time doing, oh, terribly useful things like moaning on an internet forum, but still....

Gill Seymour is a member of the NEC who devotes an awful lot of time to the party, including arranging a fundraising dinner earlier this year, campaigning in the London elections and organising social occasions.

But you're quite right: she clearly needs to spend more time whinging on here, or perhaps spreading defamatory nonsense around and trying to damage the party. Then she'd definitely be a keeper!
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Originally Posted by Bellatrix:
Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps there are people who do actually support the leadership because they agree with them? They might not spend their time doing, oh, terribly useful things like moaning on an internet forum, but still....

Gill Seymour is a member of the NEC who devotes an awful lot of time to the party, including arranging a fundraising dinner earlier this year, campaigning in the London elections and organising social occasions.

But you're quite right: she clearly needs to spend more time whinging on here, or perhaps spreading defamatory nonsense around and trying to damage the party. Then she'd definitely be a keeper!

Hear , Hear, well said!
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Bellatrix: Your contribution on websites frequently does neither you or UKIP much credit. You must agree some of it is quite unpleasant. I know someone who has documented many of your postings.

Is it right that you should be talking about prospective MEP candidates, when you are involved in the selection process? Is this another manifestation of our administrative
professionalism? Christopher Gill has effectively walked out on the job, disguising his absence as a holiday. He was recommended to us as a man of integrity, who we could trust to organise an election, yet even written inquiries to him by NEC members have been ignored. Not much quality there I fear.

Not even Marta the Virtuous, seems to lack the courage to tackle our accounts, now that she has seen the true nature of her commission. A seat in Strasbourg is more to her liking, better paid while involved in the EU which she supports. Now that we could soon lose Marta, this should be the time to request from the Electoral Commission
a thorough forensic audit. No more financial appeals should be made until the full facts of the previous appeals are known.

The duty of the membership, you appear to suggest, is to support a leadership, irrespective of how corrupt or incompetent they may be. Appointing staff, despite having been convicted of fraud, tells us all we need know, of the contempt in which the
leadership hold the membership. It is you who needs the advice, not us.
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Can't fault what Bellatrix says here.
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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier:
Bellatrix: Your contribution on websites frequently does neither you or UKIP much credit. You must agree some of it is quite unpleasant. I know someone who has documented many of your postings..

Many of your posts Geoffrey do not do you much credit and much of it is quite unpleasant.

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Is it right that you should be talking about prospective MEP candidates, when you are involved in the selection process? Is this another manifestation of our administrative
professionalism? Christopher Gill has effectively walked out on the job, disguising his absence as a holiday. He was recommended to us as a man of integrity, who we could trust to organise an election, yet even written inquiries to him by NEC members have been ignored. Not much quality there I fear..

Geoffrey, do you have proof that Christopher Gill walked out of the job? Perhaps it is merely a summer holiday. What are the inquiries that you alledge have been ignored. Whom were those inquiries made by? How can we judge whether they were worthy of Christopher Gill's immediate action or whether they were worthy of immediate placement in the circular filing cabinet. Why were these inquiries made? Were they made to obtain a response or were they made knowing that no response would be obtained thereby giving certain parties a club to beat Christopher Gill with.

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The duty of the membership, you appear to suggest, is to support a leadership, irrespective of how corrupt or incompetent they may be. Appointing staff, despite having been convicted of fraud, tells us all we need know, of the contempt in which the
leadership hold the membership. It is you who needs the advice, not us.

I presume you are referring to Clive Page. He has served his time and hence is worthy of being readmitted into society. He is allowed to vote, he is allowed to drive a car, he is allowed all the few rights that any other person who is not currently serving a sentence of some sort is entitled to. I do not see how his prior conviction renders him unfit in any way for a job as press officer.
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Bellatrix is My Hero!
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Originally Posted by ukiplassie:
NE? We don't even have an MEP there so why do you think we have yes men on the list?

Originally Posted by B.A.Ware:
Just because we don't have an MEP there doesn't mean that cap doffers wont line up for a potential MEP position.

There are only 5 people on the North East List? Why don't you name names? Who is the "doffer of the cap" to Nigel? Is it all of them? Is everyone on any list automatically a doffer unless they have a note from you excusing them from doffing? Mathematically anyone on the list in the North East is facing the hardest fight to get elected, how does that make them a doffer? A Don Quixote maybe?
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Originally Posted by Grim up north:
There are only 5 people on the North East List? Why don't you name names? Who is the "doffer of the cap" to Nigel?

Obviously not going to get an answer any time soon so the obvious target for this barb on the NE List must be Steve Allison. Not because I think he is a "doffer" but because none of the other candidates are well enough known to attract any real venom.

I have seen Steve work on several by-elections now and he didn't strike me as a "doffer". What was clear is that Steve expresses his opinion but ultimately the decisions are not made by him alone, he is not supreme ruler of the by-election universe. The candidate needs to be happy, the party needs to be happy, the NEC needs to be in the picture and so do the political committee which have the ultimate say. Steve's responsibility is to deliver the message agreed by the party, to organise the office and get the administration running smoothly, make sure the nomination papers are submitted on time, when volunteers turn up to help there is plenty for them to do, deadlines are all met and of course ensure the expenses are all properly accounted for.

The "doffer" allegation must be because Steve rarely disagrees with Nigel in public.

Anyone who witnessed one of their "little walks in the Park over the road" at Bromley will know Steve does disagree with Nigel fairly regularly, but NOT IN PUBLIC. Once a decision is made you must then get on with it, TOGETHER. Constantly second guessing and trying to change a decision is a road to nowhere. How would the MD of a company deal with an Operations Director who ignored the decision of the Board and did his own thing whenever he felt like it? In a sucessfull company the Operations Director is entitled to his opinion and to argue for his views in the Board Room but once the Directors leave the Board Room they all get 100% behind the decision. Unsuccessful companies are ones where the Directors who don't get 100% of their own way then constantly jockey to undermine the position they personally didn't agree with. Argue debate, discuss by all means but once a decision has been made then put 100% of your effort into that decision, don't throw your toys out of the pram and work to undermine the decision just so you can say "told you so!"

As long as Nigel is the elected leader of UKIP we should all be "doffers" not scoffers!
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Originally Posted by Bellatrix:
Has it ever crossed your mind that perhaps there are people who do actually support the leadership because they agree with them? They might not spend their time doing, oh, terribly useful things like moaning on an internet forum, but still....

Gill Seymour is a member of the NEC who devotes an awful lot of time to the party, including arranging a fundraising dinner earlier this year, campaigning in the London elections and organising social occasions.

But you're quite right: she clearly needs to spend more time whinging on here, or perhaps spreading defamatory nonsense around and trying to damage the party. Then she'd definitely be a keeper!

Bellatrix you are someone who is paid to be Eurosceptic your loyalties lie with your salary. I have been in UKIP long enough to see the type of people the leadership surround themselves with to know the truth.

You say Gill has a good track record is it any better than the likes of John West who cant get on the list.

Isn't it strange that regional committees were restructured before these selections were made?.

Yes i might make comments on this forum maybe because this is the only way we as ordinary members, (you know the ones, the ones that deliver the leaflets stand in elections and raise funds) have a chance to hear other members voices something the leadership have ignored and will continue to ignore until the party has gone into the abyss.

If you think my comments are wrong fair enough but it is my opinion, it maybe wrong but it is still my opinion and an opinion that has manifested due to observations of what is happening in the party.
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