Originally Posted by SponPlague:
One of your NEC colleagues, Doug, leaked to GLW - I received a mail about it, along with the stuff about Annabelle now working in Brussels for Nigel (can you confirm?), the day I resigned...

Thanks. Not surprised. There are two on the NEC who I am fairly sure are in contact with GLW.

GLW and Warry - have been in close co-operation for a long time - years. It is clear Warry is GLW's mouthpiece on here. Things he has "written" have been so close to GLW's style, I am of a mind that Warry has simply relayed them.

I have no objection to Warry raising issues, it is his right; - but do I have a problem with him doing it constantly without any positive input every now and then, AND being in the party doing so; with the drip-drip of poison he promulgates.
He told me at the time of the Tom Wise debacle in the newspapers that he was going to leave the party. I hope he now fulfills his promise. A bit late in the day - but better late than never in his case.
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One the other hand Rob, it is my opinion that it is a great pity you have been so precipitous in resigning. You are the opposite of Warry: your anti-EU credentials are impeccable; you have helped the party tremendously; you make positive points for and against with goodwill. It is as it should be.
I cannot believe Warry has goodwill about the party however, with all his negativity over the years, despite his protestations that he has.

I know the voting papers for overseas people issue is personal to you, and hurtful - but it is nevertheless just an unfortunate anomaly due to unforseen circumstances and not accomodated for. c@ck-up rather than conspiracy. Not worth resigning IMHO. Come back anyway ..... you are needed.

DED.
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P.S. Annabelle - havn't a clue. Couldn't give a fig either!

She is something to do with MEPs isn't she? - nothing to do with UKIP.
Not really interested.

DED.
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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier:
mrabody: As you say, it would be wiser to wait until all the facts are known. Surely, no good lawyer would advise Robin Page to accept, '£250 as a gesture of good faith'; that would be most foolish. I understand that R.P. intended to stand as a candidate under the terms of the election. It was Reeves and Challice who invited RP to accept a different route, over which they would preside. I understand that Reeves phoned R.P. of his own volition, and presumably Challice did likewise. Did they take advice on this matter from Christopher Gill? If they didn't they are the architects of this chaos.

If oberving the rules is all important, how was someone informed that he had been a successful candidate in a region for which he had never applied? Others were accepted, despite not having been members for the minimum time required.

Not for the first time, an election is falling apart. For the re-run, forget about Election Committees, Political Committees and leave it to the NEC. Compliment them if they do well, dismiss them if they do badly.

What chaos?? You really are subject to flights of hyperbole.
So the whole election is in chaos because of one potential candidate who is complaining loudly that he is not in the election? Chaos?? You are mad Geoffrey.

Robin didn't get his papers in on time. End of chat !


DED.
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Originally Posted by douglas denny:
P.S. Annabelle - havn't a clue. Couldn't give a fig either!

She is something to do with MEPs isn't she? - nothing to do with UKIP.
Not really interested.

DED.
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Doug: When it was alleged that she may have leaked John West's interview to YouTube, she resigned the party, presumably so not to have to provide coroborrating evidence about her "taxi driver saw my missing laptop contents" story to the discipline committee.

Under these circumstamces, should UKIP MEPs be touching her with bargepole? Surely she should have stayed in the party, faced the DC, and proved her innocence?

As the original allegations relate to breaking the data protection act, and the NEC are "bankers of last resort" for the party, you really should be interested, methinks...
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Originally Posted by SponPlague:
the NEC are "bankers of last resort" for the party, you really should be interested, methinks...

is your spell checker working?
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I have it on reliable authority that Robin Page was ASSURED by paid UKIP personnel in the SE Region that if he paid the deposit and sent in the Police check document they would do the rest. They didn't for whatever reason and Robin Page is not on the list. IMO he was stopped by UKIP heirarchy because they viewed him as a potential thorn in their side who would rock their cosy gravey train boat.(apologies for the mixed analogy!!)
Not for the first time Douglouse has shown, on this thread, how he is unfit for any UKIP office. First as outlined above he simple has his facts wrong and then clearly states that he has no interest as to whether Annabelle has been re-employed by the Party/UKIP MEPs. Douglouse you are an NEC member and should care - but then when did the truth get in the way of your defence of Nigel and his cabal, which is no doubt the reason you got back on the NEC. Sadly with people like Douglouse around the higher echlons of the Party is it any wonder it is in decline and going nowhere.
Finally Douglouse says I 've kept threating to resign from UKIP. That is not entirely true. I have openly mentioned for sometime now that I am constantly reviewing my position but I don't think I have ever said I WILL resign. For what it is worth I will almost certainly renew my membership if the likes of Douglouse keep saying I should go because I would hate to give his ilk any satisfaction that they had driven me out. Just because the top of UKIP is rotten to the core and kept in place by sycophants like Douglouse doesn't mean there isn't room in the Party for some people who refuse to be corrupted by the power and money from the EU.
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Originally Posted by SponPlague:
Doug: When it was alleged that she may have leaked John West's interview to YouTube, she resigned the party, presumably so not to have to provide coroborrating evidence about her "taxi driver saw my missing laptop contents" story to the discipline committee.

Under these circumstamces, should UKIP MEPs be touching her with bargepole? Surely she should have stayed in the party, faced the DC, and proved her innocence?

As the original allegations relate to breaking the data protection act, and the NEC are "bankers of last resort" for the party, you really should be interested, methinks...

Emphasis is on "may have". Until proven - not interested.
Also resigned from the party. History.
Also ... like Manuel in Fawlty Towers .... I know noothing! (Which is a fact).

DED.
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Originally Posted by douglas denny:
Emphasis is on "may have". Until proven - not interested.
Also resigned from the party. History.
Also ... like Manuel in Fawlty Towers .... I know noothing! (Which is a fact).

DED.

Douglouse apparently " Hears, sees and speaks no evil". In his position it is not really credible is it?
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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier:
mrabody: As you say, it would be wiser to wait until all the facts are known. Surely, no good lawyer would advise Robin Page to accept, '£250 as a gesture of good faith'; that would be most foolish. I understand that R.P. intended to stand as a candidate under the terms of the election. It was Reeves and Challice who invited RP to accept a different route, over which they would preside. I understand that Reeves phoned R.P. of his own volition, and presumably Challice did likewise. Did they take advice on this matter from Christopher Gill? If they didn't they are the architects of this chaos.

Geoffrey, as I am not Mr. Page's lawyer, I cannot advise him whether he should accept or reject a (hypothetical) payment of £250 in reimbursement of the money he paid. I note that while you think it would be wiser to wait until the facts are known, you are already jumping to conclusions about the actions of messrs. Reeves and Challice.

Originally Posted by :
If oberving the rules is all important, how was someone informed that he had been a successful candidate in a region for which he had never applied? Others were accepted, despite not having been members for the minimum time required.

What is the miminum time someone may be a member before standing as a candidate? I've read through the Party constitution and can't seem to find it.
Also, please enlighten me on the successful candidate who never applied.
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Originally Posted by douglas denny:
Emphasis is on "may have". Until proven - not interested.
Also resigned from the party. History.
Also ... like Manuel in Fawlty Towers .... I know noothing! (Which is a fact).

DED.

Ignorance is no defence, Doug! NEC members should be overseeing these things. Why did she resign if she was innocent? History, yes, but recent history! As I said, if she resigned from the party uncder a cloud, should MEPs be utilising her talsnts?
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Originally Posted by SponPlague:
As I said, if she resigned from the party uncder a cloud, should MEPs be utilising her talsnts?

which talents would that be, spon? :-)
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